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	<title>Comments on: Go Wild With Wikis: Part III</title>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://liveevents.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/go-wild-with-wikis-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest it is safer to only have one person edit the page at a time.  The best example of coordinating group work on a wiki in my belief is the Flatclassroom project wikis.  With them you will see a clear structure of roles as you suggest here.  

The challenge we faced was really short time.  If you did it with students in a f2f session you could structure the collaboration considerably better.  I think watching how chaotic it can get was an important lesson for all.  There was one group where you even saw some disharmony.  Very important to lay very clear ground rules prior to starting and remember we need to teach people what is collaborating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest it is safer to only have one person edit the page at a time.  The best example of coordinating group work on a wiki in my belief is the Flatclassroom project wikis.  With them you will see a clear structure of roles as you suggest here.  </p>
<p>The challenge we faced was really short time.  If you did it with students in a f2f session you could structure the collaboration considerably better.  I think watching how chaotic it can get was an important lesson for all.  There was one group where you even saw some disharmony.  Very important to lay very clear ground rules prior to starting and remember we need to teach people what is collaborating.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Guarino</title>
		<link>http://liveevents.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/go-wild-with-wikis-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Guarino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally got an opportunity to watch the recording of this webinar this morning. I have a few questions, observations and comments:

1. I like the idea that, as an instructor, you can easily track who participates in a group project and how they participated. This can always be difficult to assess with small groups.

2. How did you get the different letter groups to each have the same page to work on?

2. When I started playing with the sandpit wiki as I listened to the webinar, I saw that it was difficult for the group to keep a good track on a topic. The group I decided to join--Group E-F--seemed to bounce around ideas about what to make their wiki page about, but it seemed difficult for there to be any consensus or for a final decision to be made. I think it would be advisable when setting up small groups to work on wikis that roles be assigned (or rotated during the project). Someone should be responsible for directing the discussion. When it is time for a consensus to be reached or a decision to be made, the discussion director could put it to a vote. Votes could be emailed to a pollster via email with final results posted back on the discussion board. It seems that assignments could be doled out in a similar fashion with confirmation via email from a job coordinator so that it is clear who is supposed to do what. Without some way of communicating group consensus and decisions, it can really stymy progress, cause unnecessary confusion, and result in several people trying to do the same thing. This is not to say that participants should not revise, edit, and provide constructive feedback and ideas about each others&#039; work, but that the creative process can still be organized.

4. I played around with group E-F&#039;s page and made some of my own changes just to get a feel for it.

5. Having seen a wiki in action and playing with the sandpit wiki has now given me ideas on how to use them. I have started one experiment with a wiki on wikispaces--redwormcafe. I hope to initially collaborate with a friend in a different part of the state on building this wiki. I am also hoping to get my teenager and some of her friends to choose a topic and start a wiki as a practice project. I so love these tools and see such potential, but am learning to practice and learn myself before springing it on a classroom full of students.

Thanks for your work, Sue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally got an opportunity to watch the recording of this webinar this morning. I have a few questions, observations and comments:</p>
<p>1. I like the idea that, as an instructor, you can easily track who participates in a group project and how they participated. This can always be difficult to assess with small groups.</p>
<p>2. How did you get the different letter groups to each have the same page to work on?</p>
<p>2. When I started playing with the sandpit wiki as I listened to the webinar, I saw that it was difficult for the group to keep a good track on a topic. The group I decided to join&#8211;Group E-F&#8211;seemed to bounce around ideas about what to make their wiki page about, but it seemed difficult for there to be any consensus or for a final decision to be made. I think it would be advisable when setting up small groups to work on wikis that roles be assigned (or rotated during the project). Someone should be responsible for directing the discussion. When it is time for a consensus to be reached or a decision to be made, the discussion director could put it to a vote. Votes could be emailed to a pollster via email with final results posted back on the discussion board. It seems that assignments could be doled out in a similar fashion with confirmation via email from a job coordinator so that it is clear who is supposed to do what. Without some way of communicating group consensus and decisions, it can really stymy progress, cause unnecessary confusion, and result in several people trying to do the same thing. This is not to say that participants should not revise, edit, and provide constructive feedback and ideas about each others&#8217; work, but that the creative process can still be organized.</p>
<p>4. I played around with group E-F&#8217;s page and made some of my own changes just to get a feel for it.</p>
<p>5. Having seen a wiki in action and playing with the sandpit wiki has now given me ideas on how to use them. I have started one experiment with a wiki on wikispaces&#8211;redwormcafe. I hope to initially collaborate with a friend in a different part of the state on building this wiki. I am also hoping to get my teenager and some of her friends to choose a topic and start a wiki as a practice project. I so love these tools and see such potential, but am learning to practice and learn myself before springing it on a classroom full of students.</p>
<p>Thanks for your work, Sue.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://liveevents.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/go-wild-with-wikis-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill Here is a good summary from &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.core-ed.net/derek/2009/06/uk-diary-edgeless-university.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Derek Wenmoth&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; where the information in brackets highlights how each is most commonly being used in K12 sector:
* blogs (reflective journals)
* wikis (collaborative content creation or supplementary lecture information)
* social bookmarking (expanding reading lists with social references and commentary)
* social networking (course discussion, initiated by both students and staff)
* immersive technologies (role playing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill Here is a good summary from <a href="http://blog.core-ed.net/derek/2009/06/uk-diary-edgeless-university.html" rel="nofollow">Derek Wenmoth&#8217;s post</a> where the information in brackets highlights how each is most commonly being used in K12 sector:<br />
* blogs (reflective journals)<br />
* wikis (collaborative content creation or supplementary lecture information)<br />
* social bookmarking (expanding reading lists with social references and commentary)<br />
* social networking (course discussion, initiated by both students and staff)<br />
* immersive technologies (role playing)</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://liveevents.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/go-wild-with-wikis-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good questions Bill.  I think I have sort of covered it in one of the previous wiki posts.  

Here is how I look at it - if you are trying to pull together a finished type project than wikis are well suited.  If you are wanting to reflect on a topic, get students interacting with others easily or respond to questions than I would use a blog.

Discussion board you are normally thinking of using a Ning community.  Sometimes educators will use these for classes of students instead of a blog.  Challenge is they reduce interaction with others because only people who are members can respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good questions Bill.  I think I have sort of covered it in one of the previous wiki posts.  </p>
<p>Here is how I look at it &#8211; if you are trying to pull together a finished type project than wikis are well suited.  If you are wanting to reflect on a topic, get students interacting with others easily or respond to questions than I would use a blog.</p>
<p>Discussion board you are normally thinking of using a Ning community.  Sometimes educators will use these for classes of students instead of a blog.  Challenge is they reduce interaction with others because only people who are members can respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://liveevents.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/go-wild-with-wikis-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Michael - definitely important to realise how students are impacted by being asked to change.  It is important to focus on keeping it simple and making students understand how to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael &#8211; definitely important to realise how students are impacted by being asked to change.  It is important to focus on keeping it simple and making students understand how to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Guinee</title>
		<link>http://liveevents.edublogs.org/2009/06/26/go-wild-with-wikis-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Guinee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sue, for getting this posted.  The Elluminate session was quite useful.  Do you have (or could you point me towards) a clear guide towards when to use a wiki, a discussion forum, a blog, etc. for student learning?  What kinds of learning goals is each better for?  I am really looking for some kind of comparison chart, though it need not be in the form of a chart.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sue, for getting this posted.  The Elluminate session was quite useful.  Do you have (or could you point me towards) a clear guide towards when to use a wiki, a discussion forum, a blog, etc. for student learning?  What kinds of learning goals is each better for?  I am really looking for some kind of comparison chart, though it need not be in the form of a chart.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looked like a really nice session Sue.  I think your comments on how people react to change are very important for a web technology lesson.  I believe this is an important keystone to establish for any web technology classroom.  This baseline is missing from many classrooms which instead may spend most of their energies bombarding students with several different tools (there&#039;s always tons of tools) until a semester ends.  Empathy with students towards their reactions to uncharted territory also fosters a more collaborative spirit and environment which is an essential skill in the web 2.0 world.

Mahalo for the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looked like a really nice session Sue.  I think your comments on how people react to change are very important for a web technology lesson.  I believe this is an important keystone to establish for any web technology classroom.  This baseline is missing from many classrooms which instead may spend most of their energies bombarding students with several different tools (there&#8217;s always tons of tools) until a semester ends.  Empathy with students towards their reactions to uncharted territory also fosters a more collaborative spirit and environment which is an essential skill in the web 2.0 world.</p>
<p>Mahalo for the post!</p>
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